Episode 14- Podcast, a history with Bob Lement

Today, we discuss the journey of Bob Lement! Thank you for joining our journey through the arts. Like we always say "Pursuing your Passions is a Bitch... But it's worth it!"

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Transcript

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (00:01.489)
Thank you and welcome to pursuing your passions as a bitch. I am your host Charles Dockerman. I'm the owner of the Road Scientist Productions. You will also find some of my work on Tindall Vella with the story The World Beyond, an ongoing series being published every other week. With me, I have my guest Bob LeMint from Static Radio. Bob?

Bob (00:19.65)
Hey, how you doing? How's it going today?

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (00:23.309)
Doing quite well. Thank you for being on our podcast today and thank you for being able to talk So the first thing I'm gonna ask is what kind of really inspired you to get started

Bob (00:40.19)
Uh, you fell off a little bit there, but I think you talked about how do I get started? So, uh, many, many years ago now, uh, the, uh the static site started before podcasting. So we started, uh, our testing, uh, in 1998, um, to kind of decide what we wanted to do. So it goes even further back than that. So my cohost, Miles and I, we were, uh, worked together on college radio. We had a show

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (00:43.972)
Yes.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (00:59.549)
Mm-hmm.

Bob (01:09.97)
It was kind of like what static radio is without some of the cussing Because it was a college radio show. We were allowed to do a few things but not too much Anyway, that was back in the early 90s. We both graduated amazingly enough and We went on with our lives and a few years later in 1998 Towards Thanksgiving we got I got an idea. I said, hey, we could just you know

Bob (01:39.49)
radio except we would do it on the internet which was you know kind of a different place back then and he goes I don't know anything about the internet and I said well I kind of do so I'll take care of that part and and so anyway we started out basically on a telephone so this is back in the days of long distance phone calls and charges which don't exist anymore and we would

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (01:48.649)
I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm going to try to do it. I'm going to help you hear that part. I'm going to be able to just come in and act with a big team. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (02:01.749)
back to the days of the long distance of the charges, which don't exist anymore. And we were basically at college the other one. So we were just going to go back to the days of the long distance of the charges, which don't exist anymore. And we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one. So we were basically at college the other one.

Bob (02:09.35)
We basically call each other once a week and record. Now we couldn't record at that time Napster, if you have any internet history buffs out there. Napster was raging and so we used to play songs on student radio, we could not play songs. Well we could have played songs on the internet if we wanted to get sued by everybody, but we decided not to do that. And so essentially static turned into what I would call storytelling

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (02:14.349)
at that time, Napster, if you have any internet history graphs out there, Napster was raging. So we used to play songs on radio. We could not play songs. Well, we could have played songs on the internet if we wanted to get sued by everybody. But we decided not to do that. And so essentially, it's that experience, too. When I recall storytelling, the podcast at this point, it started out that way. And it doesn't that way every time

Bob (02:39.53)
podcast at this point it started out that way and it's been that way ever since we basically talk about what's going on and then each one of us will offer up a story from our recent lives usually in the humorous to strange so sometimes it's just strange stuff sometimes it's funny stuff and sometimes it's funny strange stuff but each one of us tried to basically crack each other up uh and if we can't do that then we put each other down

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (02:45.289)
We talk about what's going on, and then each one of us will offer up a facility from our recent lives that you believe is in the humorous, strange, sometimes it's just strange stuff, sometimes it's funny stuff, sometimes it's funny, strange stuff. Like each one of us tries to basically crack each other up, and if we can't do that, we put each other down, and that would be a show. So we just kind of do that one bit over and over again.

Bob (03:09.43)
became the show and so we've been kind of doing that formula over and over again for the last 20 whatever years and but it was it kind of just stemmed off of what we used to do in college and so that's really the inspiration for it was college radio way back in the in the 90s

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (03:31.82)
Yeah. And so that basically became podcasting it as it is today. And like you said, I mean, so many things have trying to change since then. You have dial up. To try and do a lot.

Bob (03:43.61)
Oh yeah. Yeah, dial up exactly.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (03:44.309)
of different things that sound. Yeah. You had so many different. Exactly that very iconic sound. And then on top of that, like just the web and trying to market yourselves. I mean, just trying to put out a website and then saying, well, we have a website and not a lot of people being tech savvy or internet savvy around that time.

Bob (03:49.673)
BEEK!

Bob (03:54.67)
That's my modem impersonation, yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (04:14.37)
it must have been really hard to promote yourselves.

Bob (04:18.31)
Yeah, we've always done it kind of just for the fun of doing something and obviously it's become more than that as time went on. And speaking of just a little funny story about the website. So I didn't know how to make a website. I just was interested. And so I got a book from a friend who was called How to Write HTML in Seven Days. And I read that book. And basically I made the

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (04:35.189)
I just wanted to share this so I got a book from a friend. He's a column on the right, he's been on seven days. And I read that book. I moved to the book site, you know, a couple weeks after that. So it's all HTML based. And obviously now we know what we're testing. I like to watch the floor and stuff. But yeah, back to the second line,

Bob (04:48.25)
So it was all HTML based and so forth. Obviously now we've, you know, we're WordPress based site and like a lot of people are and so forth. So but yeah, back at the time, there wasn't, you know, wasn't like all the tools that we have today. Like today we're using Riverside and you know, none of those tools existed. So we used a telephone, a speakerphone, which basically I would set,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (05:05.87)
So, you know, what are the tools that we have today? Like, today we're using Riverside and, you know, it sounds like a tool that exists. So, we use telephones. The speakerphone was basically, I would set, I would actually, everything was always recorded digitally. So, I had my computer, I would set up my computer and I would take the microphone, set external microphone. But I would set on top the speakerphone. It is mild to be able to see.

Bob (05:18.33)
Everything was always recorded digitally. So I had my computer, I would set up my computer and I would take a microphone, that an external microphone, that I would set on top of a speakerphone, and then Miles would be on the speakerphone. I would be sitting right there, and that's how we recorded. We basically recorded, there wasn't any high-tech interface with the phone. It was just basically a microphone that's set on top of the speakerphone, so it could hear both of us.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (05:34.369)
I was just sitting right there and that's how it was important to make sure that the liquidity was in the right place and the state was in the wrong place. That's really interesting, especially with...

Bob (05:50.57)
No, we eventually, yeah, it was weird. I mean, and it worked. We did that probably for, gosh, well, until Skype came along. So whenever Skype came along, I got into using Skype and then I was able to pull the audio out of Skype, which wasn't, I mean, now I think people do that. It's recorded and so forth. Used to be you use Skype and you just use it. There wasn't any way for you

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (06:08.149)
to be able to hold the audio out of Skype, which wasn't... Now, I think people do that. It's the quarter-term of the news. You do Skype, you just use it. There wasn't a way for you to record yourself or go to the booth. So, that was all kind of, you know, more... You know, you had to be more into it in order to get that done. So, I did. I did the description of those courses.

Bob (06:20.73)
record yourself or do anything with it. And so that was all kind of, you know, you know, more, you know, you had to be more into it in order to get that done. And so I did. And we didn't eventually started recording on Skype, which the funny part though is we recorded on Skype, but he still was on telephone because I would call his telephone via Skype in order to record us. So that was another variant. He couldn't use Skype. Come on.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (06:44.673)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I definitely kind of see that as but because so much of the programs have become more geared towards actually being able to provide a lot of this. For us, like you have Riverside you have you have stripe you have.

Bob (06:53.394)
Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (07:08.509)
Zoom that can do that but before that that wasn't even possible and those programs were just for hey I'm just gonna do a face. I'm just gonna do a FaceTime with you. I'm gonna do a video call There's no recording feature and then that was built in when people wanted it Yeah

Bob (07:11.434)
Yep.

Bob (07:21.57)
Right. Yeah, it was originally it wasn't built in for quite some time. I mean, we use Skype like that again. Like I said, we probably used a phone for about four years. We probably use Skype for maybe even longer, maybe six years that way. And then finally, really only recently have you got StreamYard and Riverside and ZunCaster and all this good kind of stuff that everybody gets to utilize now. So it makes it a lot easier.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (07:30.912)
Like that. I used the song for about four years. I've been playing the song for about six or seven years that way. Finally, really only recently, I think I've been freezing the yard.

Bob (07:51.57)
I mean, it makes it better, better quality. And so yeah, we've tried to progress as we go. I don't know if you catch a theme here, but Miles is not, he's more of a Luddite. And so he always calls himself the talent and I am the technology. So I usually push us forward into other things. Like, I don't know if you're gonna use the video, but I've got a little character that I utilize

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (07:54.492)
Mm-hmm

Bob (08:21.45)
that's a real-time animated character. It kind of follows my mouth as I talk and I can raise my eyebrows. And if I feel like tapping on the keyboard, I can raise my arm and stuff. But whenever I'm talking, it's a little distracting to do that. But yeah, so we keep moving forward though.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (08:42.783)
I know and right now we're starting out with audio only but that's, I mean just technology now where you can even do stuff like that.

Bob (08:51.77)
Yeah, you could you could uh, you've got I know she got a great little uh character With the rogue scientist, which can I call you rogue? I mean, I think that's really got to be your your moniker Rogue you got that little character there. You could put this together And have that be your persona the little rogue guy

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (08:53.449)
Thank you. Thank you.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (09:03.685)
Oh yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (09:11.889)
Oh, that's actually really cool. Yeah, I originally got the, so I put out my request for someone on Fiverr but I never realized I can actually do take that and then make that something like a live animation piece which is actually really interesting. And I'm still delving into it. I'm relatively new to it. I'm not 20 years of experience in it yet. I'm getting there.

Bob (09:14.55)
Yeah.

Bob (09:30.233)
Yeah!

Bob (09:38.231)
Well, it all changes so it doesn't even matter to be honest with you. So I got 20 years of experience in technology that nobody cares about at this point. So yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (09:41.849)
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (09:47.789)
Yeah. So what would you say kind of like, so you've seen a lot of the changes in the, I would say the platforms in general going for, I know you recorded, you put it on the web, but then suddenly you have like, I'm using Buzzsprout as my distribution network, but what was it like before that was even involved? Did you have to personally go to each thing for, I would say, Google?

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (10:16.669)
podcast or iPhone or Apple podcast and you had to personally upload to each everyone

Bob (10:24.17)
Well, I got a great story for you on all that. So there wasn't any of those. And basically we were doing this before there was even MP3. So we were putting out what was called Real Media, which was a fledgling streaming audio on the internet. So if you look it up, it's a really old format that nobody uses anymore. But I happened to have access to a Real Media server during that time and was able to utilize it beforehand.

Bob (10:53.95)
So as far as Apple podcast, we were around before that, but the interesting story is I was listening to Adam Curry when he was originally doing the daily source code, which is where podcasting originated. So he was working with Dave Weiner. He was doing the daily source code. I was listening and then they released the enclosures, the RSS enclosure to become podcasting, right? So once he did that.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (11:08.851)
Yeah. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

Bob (11:24.25)
then there's a little technical, there was no automation. So basically you had to manually type in the RSS, right? So you had to manually type in all this stuff in order to get your thing to become a podcast. So I started doing that and we were one of the first 50, I suppose, podcasts. So Curry made a list of the first podcasts out there.

Bob (11:53.97)
enough to be on that list. And then that list was stolen wholesale by Apple computer to become the Apple podcast. So we were the first podcast. Yeah, yeah. And you can read it in Curry's book and everything. It's all out there in the open. So yeah, the podcasts were basically a combination of Adam Curry's list, which, which we were fortunate enough to be a part of. And like, you know,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (12:05.309)
Really

Bob (12:25.571)
public radio stuff that had started to take off in the format as well. And so they put that together and that became Apple Podcast. But I didn't even realize it. So at the time, somebody who was listening said, hey, send me an email, said, hey, do you know you're on Apple Podcast? I'm like, I didn't know that. I didn't, you couldn't put yourself in to be an Apple Podcast at the time. There was no submission or anything

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (12:35.769)
I think we can realize, so at the time, somebody who was with me, the page, the email, the page, you know, you're on Apple's website, you can see that, right? I think it's just self-adjustment, because I'm not that popular, so it's no submission or anything. It's all just gone. And yeah, so they used their phone, their hotel, so it's very good, and it's not just down there. I think it's...

Bob (12:54.05)
all just started, right? And yeah, so they, they whole, they whole sales stole Curry's list and we just happened to be on it because I had been, I had been emailing with Curry in order to see, well, how's this podcast thing work? And then they would send you information. And so that's how that all started. So yeah, so early on, so basically there's a lot of services that we are still on that I have never submitted to, because we just happened to be there.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (13:24.925)
Oh, wow. That's crazy.

Bob (13:27.21)
Yeah, so if you find the only thing I've ever submitted to is Amazon music as far as I know.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (13:34.294)
Just because you were there initially for the list and then everybody was adopting it at the time and then just kind of, yeah, oh wow.

Bob (13:39.834)
Right!

Bob (13:43.57)
just fell into it. Yeah. So like we're on, I mean, I poke around and we'll find out we're on, I heart music. I don't know anything about I heart music. We're on I heart music. We're on this, we're on that and everything else. And it's just because we've been around for so long, we're part of that kind of initial, you know, upload of stuff into Apple. And then basically everybody takes away from Apple, right? And then we've been kicked off of Apple podcast a couple of times.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (13:44.331)
Ah, yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (13:57.749)
you've been around for so long, we're part of that. I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I have a- I

Bob (14:13.75)
to that because of we were there before there was an explicit tag and you know they didn't like the explicit stuff for a while and then anyway now they got the explicit tag so you get back on and back and forth and back and forth and so it really is funny how that works but sometimes I'll you know if I'm bored or whatever I'll poke around and I find our shows all kinds of different places that I've never been before or seen before so yeah

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (14:26.243)
Mm-hmm

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (14:34.149)
or whatever else I'll poke around and I find art shows all kinds of new places that I've never taken to art in person. Yeah. Right now I just focus on, you know, we've got to say our show and you can put out there and then eventually it all gets in the bag by somebody or another. Not to overly concern, because it's just a few things that you can do. So yeah. I mean,

Bob (14:43.95)
Right now I just focus on You know we update our show and it gets put out there and eventually it all gets snagged by You know somebody or another I'm not too overly Concerned because it seems to just keep perpetuating itself So yeah, I mean I have submitted to a couple things recently especially as part of like for yourself right so you and I met via a

Bob (15:14.33)
for people looking for guests. And so I submit to some of those and so forth. But as far as the show goes, I rarely put in anything like I said, Amazon Music sent me a note and said, "'Hey, you should be on Amazon Music. "'Will you fill this out?" And I said, "'Sure, I'll fill it.'" I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said, "'Okay, I'll fill it out." And I said,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (15:20.78)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. That... That's really cool.

Bob (15:33.892)
So yeah, it's a weird dynamic. And I think partially it has to do with just being a presence for so long.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (15:34.149)
Thank you.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (15:43.336)
Mm-hmm. Like you automatically have a footprint everywhere.

Bob (15:46.111)
But...

Bob (15:49.45)
Right, yeah, so you find it, yeah. We used to be on, oh, there was this thing called Real Comedy that was on site a long time ago and we were on that. There was a thing called Night Raven Radio that we were on that was an early streaming radio station that they would pull our shows to be on. I mean, there's been, you just never know where you're gonna find yourself because it's all aggregation. Because RSS is so simple,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (15:51.55)
Yeah, we used to be on it.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (15:56.449)
That was a good sight. Long time ago. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Bob (16:19.65)
right? Then it just kind of gets pulled into everything so people are looking for content. They just look for stuff that's floating around out there and they pull it down and voila, you're on something else.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (16:35.063)
Wow. And so when it comes to, I know podcasting, a lot of, when it comes to revenue based or

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (16:43.229)
a lot of focused on a lot of downloads, how many type people streamed your services, because you're kind of being dragged in there automatically. Do you get those numbers or do you have to try and reconnect your accounts for those numbers to try and figure out what you're kind of getting or...

Bob (16:47.902)
Mm-hmm.

Bob (17:01.71)
So they, well, they all want you to sign up for something. So, you don't get those numbers. So we're probably, so we're being downloaded off of our site and we can see those numbers and so forth. But as far as the rest of them, unless you are connected in some way, shape, or form, either you're paying them, like for a service or something, then you're not gonna get those numbers, even though people are listening to you via these other mechanisms. So,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (17:06.099)
Mm-hmm

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (17:15.229)
But as far as the rest of them, you are connected to some way of shaping the public's thinking and the service you're making, and you're not going to be able to do that. So people are at least in the other vent. So that's kind of been the way it was. You could get back to 2000 and 2005 and 2006 and then that's gone.

Bob (17:31.95)
um, you know that that's and that's Kind of been the way it was even did back in 2000 and uh five or so when five or six when everything kind of took off Now it's even it's even uh You know more so um and a lot of them now won't have everything so we have over 1400 shows maybe more. I don't know and Um, so yeah, most of the services don't have all of them at this point. They'll only take like the last 20

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (17:53.495)
Oh wow.

Bob (18:01.97)
or so. And so unless they're tied directly into your RSS, then and actually RRSS didn't even have all 1400 shows because we didn't have RSS set up until, what was it? It was 2004, I think September 2004, 2003. And so that's when we finally, I've just now finally got all of the

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (18:14.489)
of RSS set up until September of the year, 2004. So that's when we finally got all of the shows onto one platform that's on our website. We've got all of our RSS on the platform. We've got all of them. Prior to that, you know, we wanted to build

Bob (18:31.69)
onto one platform, our website basically. So they're all in RSS now, if somebody wanted to sample all of them. But prior to that, no, it was only until, so we had what, almost five years, four years, five years of shows that never were in RSS until this year. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal. So yeah, it's a weird deal.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (18:53.861)
Yeah, and so now people can actually listen to the original shows that kind of started out when you were originally starting out now.

Bob (19:00.31)
Yeah, yeah. And, um, yeah, there's not quite as much information on those because it just got lost over. I mean, the files are there that the I got all the titles are there and everything, but I used to do little blurbs. I still do a little blurbs on each episode, but some of those blurbs are lost at the time because, you know, this, we all started this before WordPress. And so there wasn't any WordPress site to be on. We were just straight HTML for many, many years. And then finally,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (19:19.153)
Mm-hmm.

Bob (19:30.37)
WordPress came along and got into that. And then we have more of a base. And again, I think that was, that was probably 2005, 2006, something like that. So, so then that way it kind of has more of an archive. So, but now I finally, over this last year, have been updating things and getting everything back on. So now we have, I think, everything in one place for the first time ever, after all this time. So,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (20:01.003)
Now I find the area where I'm going to do the image here. That's actually really amazing and that's probably a lot of data too.

Bob (20:01.014)
Yeah, it was a pain in the neck, I can tell you that.

Bob (20:08.75)
Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's a lot of stuff. So, um, but we've, we've done a week, uh, we do show week is the kind of the format and, uh, and, um, we've only missed probably, I would say less, probably about less than six shows over the course of 24 years, because of various, uh, natural disasters and or, uh, mild disasters or deaths or something. So, that was

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (20:10.674)
Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (20:32.049)
dan

Bob (20:39.472)
I think that's been one of our, at least we're consistent somewhat. That's what I like to think at least.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (20:44.852)
Yeah, so over a thousand episodes. Wow.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (20:52.589)
I don't, I can't even imagine.

Bob (20:53.61)
Yeah, I can, let's see, I don't know if I can, I can probably, I can look here and tell you, let's see. 1,466 posts and more than likely they're all episodes. So I would say a little over 1,400, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (21:01.091)
Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (21:11.309)
Wow!

Bob (21:12.95)
I mean, we have posts on other stuff, but most of the time it's mostly the show, so.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (21:18.169)
Yeah, but that's amazing and that's a lot of work. I mean over the course of 24 years that's a lot to put into it, especially when you're kind of the trailblazer for everyone else getting into this kind of thing.

Bob (21:27.57)
Yeah.

Bob (21:30.87)
Thank you.

Bob (21:36.63)
Yeah, it was an interesting time. I can tell you back in the early days, I would... So again, I sound like a history lesson here, but so in the early days, there's always joke. There's a reason why it was called Cyber Monday, it's because your work had better internet access than your home at that time period. So that's how Cyber Monday became a thing. And they still use Cyber Monday, but I don't think anybody, you know,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (22:03.169)
Mm-hmm.

Bob (22:06.81)
realizes who's you know not had to experience it and so At work at lunch and things like that so I have a regular job And so during that I would go and look for other shows because there wasn't many and so I would you know kind of you know there wasn't Google wasn't even around then so we were you I was using the excite and the yahoo and ass jeeps and

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (22:14.591)
So, that's work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work. So, that's the work.

Bob (22:36.95)
So I put these things into the search engines and try to find other people who were doing this and And I did and so actually this there's a couple people that I've known All these years who have been doing something similar different shows and so forth who still are doing stuff today But early on yeah, it was very very rare to find somebody who was doing anything with any consistency So they may put out a couple of things

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (22:47.289)
Yeah, this is what happens when you're in the middle of the night. You know, all these years, there's this little bit of a difference. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here. There's this little bit of a hurry on down here.

Bob (23:07.39)
then that was it. Then they wouldn't keep doing it week after week or do more than a couple of shows and then be gone from the ether. So yeah, it was a different time. But now there's so much stuff. It's almost claustrophobic.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (23:22.655)
Yeah. I know now you're everybody has a podcast. Yeah.

Bob (23:34.95)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I knew when podcasting came into its own because I'd been doing this for so long and then I happened to, I get an alert from Apple. It says, somebody bought something, I have children and I try to keep an eye on that so it doesn't get out of control. And my wife had actually purchased a premium podcast and I said, well, what are you doing here?

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (24:03.332)
What are you doing here? What are you doing here? I'm just going to listen to that.

Bob (24:04.95)
podcast paying for the podcast She's like oh, I want to listen to that and I'm like, okay, so I realized at that point You know, she doesn't have a lot of interest in what I do And so even though she knew it was going on for all this time it was just kind of like my thing and and People you know, that's when I knew that had broken through into the mainstream basically because she was more interested in it

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (24:32.279)
And I can say like on my day job, I'm probably listening to podcasts, listening to different things because it's just something in the background to always listen to. And it's you can get it anywhere. Now you don't have to have a, yeah, you don't have to have a radio. You can get it from your phone.

Bob (24:42.75)
BYE!

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (24:46.549)
and you always have your phone on you. So, no, I mean, this, yeah, this platform has just grown, yeah. And it's huge. My fiance has been on my podcast a couple times, and, but, I mean, beforehand, like she has seen no interest in it. And just like you said, when you kind of know that it's a thing once you kind of see more of an interest from someone who had no interest in it,

Bob (24:51.01)
Yeah, it's always something...

Bob (24:55.39)
Something to do.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (25:16.629)
begin with so yeah so one thing I so because you've been with this for so many years what are times the pitfalls that you've run into

Bob (25:20.594)
Exactly, exactly.

Bob (25:33.49)
Well, I think that's a good question. So there really haven't been anything that's been super negative to me. I think about every five years, I always think we're not gonna do it anymore because it's another five-year anniversary of the thing. You know, and it's like, oh, that's another, we made it five years. I thought after five years, we'd be done and that would have actually been pretty podcasting, but we kept going.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (25:46.769)
I always think we're not gonna do it anymore. Because, I don't even know.

Bob (26:03.55)
And now every five years I think oh well, this will probably be the end of it And it's not but I would say I think what most people fall into is just the the ability to keep Regular schedule so it's so hard things come up, you know and and life happens and you can't Keep on a regular Beat with it. So, you know, I think it's so important. You can do it randomly

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (26:19.386)
Mm-hmm

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (26:24.209)
I can't find a regular week of this, so I think it's more important. You can do it randomly, maybe open for more or more hours. I don't know if it's a good week or a good week, but I'm really on the point of my stuff. So this is slowly over time. And that's fine as long as you can do stuff with that. To me, at least that's hard because then, you know,

Bob (26:33.59)
more and more now are doing things and I don't know if you're doing this as well, but where they'll record a bunch of stuff and then release it slowly over time and that's fine as long as you can keep up with that. I think to me at least that's hard because then you know whenever the longer you wait the more the harder it is to get back to it and so let's say you get you know a bunch of stuff

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (26:54.269)
the longer you wait, the more the harder it is to get back. So the other thing you did, you know, a bunch of study you did on this, you know, the rest of the month, the next month, you know, the time you started to do it, it happens to be a regular interval, so you're going to get a lot of years of study. It would also be fresh to find a new follower on this, like, for instance,

Bob (27:03.49)
You don't do anything for the rest of the month, then that next month is hard to get started again. So having some type of regular intervals where you're doing things, I think makes it a lot easier. And that's what we've done. And then also just being fresh and trying to move forward on things. Like for instance, the whole lot of reason you're looking at this blue cat is because for a while I animated our shows and put it on YouTube and we were both animated.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (27:24.169)
The whole audience, you looked at this, this cast, this is, for a while, I animated our show, so we got a huge, you know, the whole thing. And, um, that was so hard to do. Mm-hmm. Right now I've got to set up the video and I work with a lot of...

Bob (27:33.65)
And, but the, it was so hard to do, I mean, uh, every week because I couldn't, right now I've got the setups between you and I where it's just live and it happens live, but unfortunately, uh, my, uh, my partner is not as technologically savvy, so I had to do it post and so everything had to be synced up later and that just is such a grind. Uh, I did it for, oh, probably about six or eight

Bob (28:03.45)
I'm gonna do that anymore because it's so much work. And if I can do, so you always have to keep that in mind, the work, right? So you can come up with an idea and it's a good idea and it's a fun idea and doing it live like this with you is no problem, right? So you're recording this cat talking and you know, you could utilize this later and it's not a whole lot of work because there's not a lot of posts involved in it. So always, you know, do your workflow

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (28:06.945)
Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (28:13.089)
Mm-hmm

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (28:31.69)
You always do your work well. There's a lot of work to do. And a lot of folks work to do the same.

Bob (28:33.47)
on what you can stand. If you can't stand a lot of post work, then you need to set up your flow so that you don't have a lot of post work. So, and that's what we've kind of done is we've got it, we basically, and we've done this from the start because I knew that we would both, wouldn't work if we didn't do it this way. But basically, we know our schedule, we start,

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (28:45.736)
We've got it. We've got it from the start.

Bob (29:03.53)
run through it very very rarely do we ever have to edit anything. If we do edit it's because of catastrophe during the session but otherwise we were and we you know finish it and wrap it all up and spit it back out so it's not like arduous tasks so you want to get your your production floats down to where you are comfortable with it you know some people love to fiddle around with

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (29:24.749)
I'm sure the production will go down there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people love to come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there. I'm sure people will come up there.

Bob (29:34.491)
and so forth. But you know, I think you'll notice that a lot of these things now that are out like Riverside and so forth are really basically cutting down your production flow so you don't have to work so hard on the back end.

Bob (29:50.79)
And that's gonna help you.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (29:54.929)
Because like I for my back end I use Adobe edition for just editing the audio But a lot of these programs do a lot of pre work before that so you're not doing too much tampering You're just basically importing it then exporting it to a wave file Then I upload that to Buzzsprout and then that gets distributed to the various podcasting platforms, so it's it's really kind of cut down a lot of that post work, so No, I mean honestly

Bob (30:11.314)
Yeah.

Bob (30:19.614)
Hmm?

Bob (30:23.41)
Yeah, and that's one of the keys, yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (30:27.109)
Yeah, and I have to say, you've basically, one of my questions I always used to like to ask is, what would you kind of suggest to anybody trying to get into this? And you've kind of covered a lot of going from how you started into what it's like now and cutting down a lot of that post work. And it's a struggle. But I mean, I'm happy where I'm at. I don't know how I would have started

Bob (30:54.191)
Thank you. Bye.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (30:57.87)
Um, no, um, no, I have to say thank you for being on our podcast today because this, this has really been eye opening in terms of just the transition of where things have kind of come from and how you've kind of developed the platform and stuff.

Bob (31:13.071)
Oh yeah, happy to be here.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (31:15.549)
Yeah, so I know we're kind of coming to the end of things and I would like to thank you for being on our podcast today. Are there any social media accounts? Are there any upcoming events that you're doing, any podcast that you're coming out with that you'd like to have our listeners follow you on?

Bob (31:37.69)
So you can always listen to us weekly at staticradio.com. You can find us Spotify in all the usual places. That's Podbean, I think we're on that too, I don't know. But wherever you listen, you can find it or you can go to staticradio.com and get the RSS feed out of there. We have a show every week, one just came out this morning. And it's, what did I talk about? Oh, we talked about an observation

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (31:47.803)
Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (32:05.369)
I'm not sure if you can hear the whole story, but I'll just show you the whole story. I don't know if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it. I'm not sure if you can hear it.

Bob (32:08.09)
people seem to, oh, every time I see a DoorDash person in the wild, they're using the restroom. And I always find that very off-putting. But anyway, you can listen to more of that if you want to. But we also have, we also are static radio on most social media networks. So Twitter and Instagram and so forth, just look up static radio. We do have, my apologies

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (32:36.931)
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I apologize for the inconvenience. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Bob (32:37.65)
Static Radio New Jersey, which is a band that's been around because we typically, when new stuff comes out, then I usually grab the moniker and then they do Static Radio NJ. So if you wanna listen to Static Radio, the band, it's Static Radio NJ for New Jersey. But that's where you find us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (32:57.556)
Yeah, I like that you have to say that sorry just added radio the band we took the name

Bob (33:05.338)
We were there first, so...

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (33:07.789)
Yeah, we have seen your beyond this. And thank you as for me, you'll be able to find us on our website, the road scientist productions.com, where we have our merchandise and links to my story. Kindle are on kindle Bella, the world beyond. We also have all of our road scientist social media platforms on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Pinterest. You can follow us on all of those. The best way to support us is to like our podcast on your favorite podcast platform of choice and let us know how much you've enjoyed our show.

Bob (33:11.85)
Thank you. Bye.

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (33:38.109)
We want to thank you Bob for being on our show today, and we'd like to thank all of our listeners for joining us as well This has been our podcast to all those out there looking to start a new career in the arts such as acting writing music comedy and more Please always remember pursuing your passions is a bitch But it's worth it

the_rogue_scientist_productions-9smc (34:00.58)
Okay.